biblical/moral principles in Constitution.

[buckeye]

Texas Faith: Religion's role at the Democratic National Convention
10:05 AM Tue, Aug 26, 2008 |
William McKenzie

Welcome to Texas Faith, our new discussion of religion, politics and
culture. Texas Faith is a weekly online feature that will draw upon the
expertise of clergy, laity and academics in Texas to debate, discuss and
define the intersection of these volatile topics.

Our opening topic of the week revolves around the Democratic convention. We
put this question to our panel:

From Faith Caucus meetings to panel discussions on morality to debates
about an Obama administration and religion, the Democratic convention is
spotlighting an enormous amount of explicit religious content. What does
this mean? Is this appropriate?

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/post-74.html

[excerpt]


LYNN GODSEY, Pastor, Temple of Power Ministries, Ennis, Texas; founder,
Alliance of Hispanic Evangelical Ministers

What does this mean? The Democratic Party "woke up" after our last
presidential election and realized that the "religious vote" is a vote to
be acknowledged and not shunned.

Our founding fathers "wove" biblical/moral principles into our
Constitution.

Can anyone point out the clauses that contain these
"biblical/moral principles"
[end excerpt]

***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:03:29 -0400, buckeye

Post by buckeye
Our founding fathers "wove" biblical/moral principles into our
Constitution.

They also "wove English" law into it---but doesn't seem
right that we pray to Britain.

[qwerty]

Post by N***@Click.com
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:03:29 -0400, buckeye

Post by buckeye
Our founding fathers "wove" biblical/moral principles into our
Constitution.

They also "wove English" law into it---but doesn't seem
right that we pray to Britain.

They also "wove Pagan" law into, Democracy is an ancient Greek system and
they were pagans. In addtion the pagans of North America, aka the Iroqois
Condferacy also influenced the Constitution.!

[Jack]

the Iroqois Condferacy also influenced the Constitution.!

really?

[Matt]

Post by Jack

the Iroqois Condferacy also influenced the Constitution.!

really?

Yep.

http://www.iroquoisdemocracy.pdx.edu/

Matt

[morgan mair fheal]

Post by qwerty

Post by N***@Click.com
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:03:29 -0400, buckeye

Post by buckeye
Our founding fathers "wove" biblical/moral principles into our
Constitution.

They also "wove English" law into it---but doesn't seem
right that we pray to Britain.

They also "wove Pagan" law into, Democracy is an ancient Greek system and

actually its based on pagan germanic tribal law
many german tribes had some democratic aspect to them
with norway being the oldest democracy still running
and iceland and england also being long running democracies

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven

[buckeye]

:|On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:03:29 -0400, buckeye
:|
:|>Our founding fathers "wove" biblical/moral principles into our
:|>Constitution.
:|
:|They also "wove English" law into it---

Did they?

Perhaps, perhaps not


Liz - here are our contributions. If we had more time, we have the
material here and could have refuted each of his points in both affidavits
probably. As it is we picked out several points that no one else had seemed
to address directly and concentrated on those.

1. Clergy in the courtroom; prayer in the courtroom.

Eidsmoe's first affidavit characterizes the practice of prayer in the
courtroom as commonplace at or around the time of the drafting and
ratification of the Constitution. He cites as examples a number of
New England federal circuit court cases which entreated clergy to "address
the throne of Grace" as evidence that such practices were accepted. John
Jay's stellar reputation excepted, the following quote from a 1919 work on
John Marshall notes a slightly different interpretation of clergy-courtroom
politics. From Vol. III. The Life of John Marshall (Boston: Houghton
Mifflin Company, 1916-19, Beveridge, Albert J.):

"But if the National judges had caused alarm by treating the common law as
though it were a statute of the United States without waiting for an act of
Congress to make it so, their manners and methods in the enforcement of the
Sedition Act aroused against them an ever increasing hostility.

"Stories of their performances on the bench in such cases -- their
tones when speaking to counsel, to accused persons, and even to witnesses,
their immoderate language, their sympathy with one of the European nations
then at war and their animosity toward the other, their partisanship in
cases on trial before them -- tales made up from such material flew from
mouth to mouth until finally the very name and sight of National judges
became obnoxious to most Americans. In short, the assaults upon the
National Judiciary were made possible chielfy by the conduct of the
National judges themselvcs." (l)

Footnote (1) says:

(1) The National judges, in their charges to grand juries, lectured
and preached on religion, on morality, on partisan politics.
"On Monday last the Circuit Court of the United States was opened
in this town. The Hen. Judge Patterson .. delivered a most elegant
and appropriate charge.
"The Law was laid down in a masterly manner: Politics were set in
their true light by holding up the Jacobins [Republicans] as the disor-
ganizers of our happy country, and the only instruments of introduc-
ing discontent and dissatisfaction among the well meaning part of the
community. Religion. & Morality were pleasingly inculcated and en-
forced as being necessary to good government, good order, and good
laws; fpr 'when the righteous [Federalists] are in authority, the people
rejoice.' . .
"After the charge was delivered the Rev. Mr. Alden addressed the
Throne of Grace in an excellent and well adapted prayer." (Uniled
States Oracle of the Day, May 24, 1800, as quoted by Hackett, in
Green Bao. 11. 264)

(SOURCE OF ABOVE MATERAL: THE LIFE OF JOHN MARSHALL, By Albert J. Beveridge
Volume III Conflict and construction, 1800-1815, Houghton Mifflin Company
(1918) page 29-30. Additional background material included covering pages
26 -33, all under the title of EXHIBIT A)


***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

[buckeye]

:|
:|Our founding fathers "wove" biblical/moral principles into our
:|Constitution.
:|
:|Can anyone point out the clauses that contain these
:| "biblical/moral principles"
:|[end excerpt]
:|

Five replies as or right now but not a single one actually addressed the
question that was asked

At least some of the replies even seem to accept such biblical/moral
principles were "woven" into the Constitution.


***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

[N***@Click.com]

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:29:39 -0400, buckeye

Post by buckeye
At least some of the replies even seem to accept such biblical/moral
principles were "woven" into the Constitution.
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"The "commandments" carry no internal evidence of
divinity within them; they carry some good moral
precepts, such as any man qualified to be a law-giver,
or a legislator, could produce himself, without having
to recourse to supernatural intervention"

Thomas Paine,--------- Founder