Why should religion and education be seperate?

[buckeye]

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:|The Declaration of Independence is the foundation of our nation, not
:|"merely" anything. Perhaps this is the basis of our disagreement, I see
:|it as more important than anything which followed for it sets the tone and
:|describes original intent.

The DOI was a propagandist writing designed to persuade at least some
European countries to provide aid.

Because you give this document importance and authority it never had nor
has today is irrelevant and your problem.

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You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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[Phlip]

Post by buckeye

:|The Declaration of Independence is the foundation of our nation, not
:|"merely" anything. Perhaps this is the basis of our disagreement, I see
:|it as more important than anything which followed for it sets the tone and
:|describes original intent.

The DOI was a propagandist writing designed to persuade at least some
European countries to provide aid.
Because you give this document importance and authority it never had nor
has today is irrelevant and your problem.

How did Lincoln's introduction to the Gettysburg Address change that
document's authority, O history student?

[Cary Kittrell]

Post by Phlip

Post by buckeye

:|The Declaration of Independence is the foundation of our nation, not
:|"merely" anything. Perhaps this is the basis of our disagreement, I see
:|it as more important than anything which followed for it sets the tone and
:|describes original intent.

The DOI was a propagandist writing designed to persuade at least some
European countries to provide aid.
Because you give this document importance and authority it never had nor
has today is irrelevant and your problem.

How did Lincoln's introduction to the Gettysburg Address change that
document's authority, O history student?

What "authority" does the Gettysburg address have in the first
place? I doubt you could have a court decision overruled
on the grounds that it was ungettysburgian.


-- cary

[Middle Class Warrior]

Post by buckeye

:|
:|The Declaration of Independence is the foundation of our nation, not
:|"merely" anything. Perhaps this is the basis of our disagreement, I see
:|it as more important than anything which followed for it sets the tone and
:|describes original intent.

The DOI was a propagandist writing designed to persuade at least some
European countries to provide aid.
Because you give this document importance and authority it never had nor
has today is irrelevant and your problem.
***************************************************************
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

The Declaration of Independence is a historical document that was
written before the 13 colonies became the United States. The DOI is not
a legal document like the Constitution. The First amendment is the most
important one in the constitution and referred to this amdnedment as the
Establishment Clause.

Also, check the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797. President John Adams and the
Senate unanimously approved it. It states the US is not a Christian nation.

Even conservatives think churches should stay out of politics. See
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/study-conservatives-grow_n_120520.html

If a church is willing to pay taxes, it can engage in politics. This is
the real issue. Some right wing churches want to espouse political
beliefs form the pulpit and still maintain their tax free status.

Most Americans prefer to keep church and state separate.

[N***@Click.com]

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:22:16 -0400, Middle Class

Post by Middle Class Warrior
The Declaration of Independence is a historical document that was
written before the 13 colonies became the United States. The DOI is not
a legal document like the Constitution.

True. It was a statement of justification to dissolve
the bonds of one government for enumerated
reasons.....covering most of the document

The preamble gives some indication of the philosophical
reasons.

Post by Middle Class Warrior
The First amendment is the most
important one in the constitution and referred to this amdnedment as the
Establishment Clause.

All of the amendments addressed the various issues not
specifically addressed in the body of the constitution.
All have purposes, importance notwithstanding.

Post by Middle Class Warrior
Also, check the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797. President John Adams and the
Senate unanimously approved it. It states the US is not a Christian nation.

Seems rather silly (at the time, or for the time) to
consider any other religion given the historical
background of who came here and why. Any reference to
a god, or "higher power" would normally been referenced
to what was there.

Sure weren't shiploads of Jews, Buddhists, or Mayans
landing here for a century prior.