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A progressive evangelical movement?
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buckeye
2008-08-10 11:47:14 UTC
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A progressive evangelical movement?
posted by Rebecca Sager

“There is a thirst for two things in this country - a thirst for
spirituality and a thirst for social justice”.
– Jim Wallis (2008)

http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/05/02/a-progressive-evangelical-movement/
[excerpt]

When people hear the words “progressive” and “evangelical” together, a sort
of cognitive dissonance occurs. Meshing the notions of Jerry Falwell and
Pat Robertson with ideas of social justice is not something most people
easily understand. For the people inside this new movement, however, being
an evangelical and progressive is a natural fit.

This spring I went to a fundraiser for Tom Periello, a Democratic candidate
for Congress in Virginia. The small crowd was generally young and
professional, and after talking to them it was clear that this was not just
about raising money, it was about changing the dynamic between religion and
politics and creating a new progressive religious movement. In the crowd
were movement activists including members and employees of Sojourners,
Common Good Strategies (CGS), and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good
(CACG), all organizations that are part of a new social movement that is
aligning Catholics, evangelicals, and other Christians.

Members of this progressive religious movement see their work as
fundamentally different from other conservative religious activists. As one
founding member told me “How can you be a Christian and not care about
issues like poverty and health care?” Like the others I spoke with, he told
me the 2004 election was a turning point and call to action, expressing
concern for social justice, a hope for something better in 2008, and an
affirmation that faith has a new voice in politics.
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God's Creator!
2008-08-10 13:05:28 UTC
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Post by buckeye
A progressive evangelical movement?
posted by Rebecca Sager
“There is a thirst for two things in this country - a thirst for
spirituality and a thirst for social justice”.
– Jim Wallis (2008)
http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/05/02/a-progressive-evangelical-movement/
--excerpt --
When people hear the words “progressive” and “evangelical” together, a sort
of cognitive dissonance occurs. Meshing the notions of Jerry Falwell and
Pat Robertson with ideas of social justice is not something most people
easily understand. For the people inside this new movement, however, being
an evangelical and progressive is a natural fit.
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buckeye
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*

Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an Armageddon.

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Religions will use any forum, event, even public toilet walls, to implant their Deity
ideology. The above so-called "Progressive Evangelic" movement is an example of
their efforts to get into an unwitting, unaware or *UN-CONVERTED* human mind.




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mariposas rand mair fheal
2008-08-10 17:17:14 UTC
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Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Free Lunch
2008-08-10 17:23:40 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
mariposas rand mair fheal
2008-08-10 17:43:20 UTC
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Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it

got it

thanks

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
DanielSan
2008-08-10 20:06:21 UTC
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Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
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mariposas rand mair fheal
2008-08-10 20:26:46 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
so youre saying religious people can desire to improve the lot of humans?

(improve humanity is a poor choice of words
it implies eugenics political indoctrination etc)

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
DanielSan
2008-08-10 20:26:31 UTC
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Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
so youre saying religious people can desire to improve the lot of humans?
Yes.
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
(improve humanity is a poor choice of words
it implies eugenics political indoctrination etc)
No, it doesn't.
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Kate
2008-08-10 21:25:03 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:26:31 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
so youre saying religious people can desire to improve the lot of humans?
It's just that making up fantasies and making other people conform to
them is a really bad way to do anything morally.
Post by DanielSan
Yes.
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
(improve humanity is a poor choice of words
it implies eugenics political indoctrination etc)
No, it doesn't.
mariposas rand mair fheal
2008-08-10 21:47:55 UTC
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Post by Kate
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:26:31 -0700, DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
so youre saying religious people can desire to improve the lot of humans?
It's just that making up fantasies and making other people conform to
them is a really bad way to do anything morally.
what with gulags and all

dont try this moral superiority shtick
its phoney and everyone knows it

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Kate
2008-08-11 03:44:02 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:47:55 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Kate
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:26:31 -0700, DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type
thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
so youre saying religious people can desire to improve the lot of humans?
It's just that making up fantasies and making other people conform to
them is a really bad way to do anything morally.
what with gulags and all
dont try this moral superiority shtick
its phoney and everyone knows it
Yeah, we all know how phoney it is to be realistic.
Free Lunch
2008-08-11 00:35:09 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:26:46 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by DanielSan
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
Actually, improving humanity is irrelevant to atheism or theism. The
want to improve humanity is a human thing, not a religious thing.
so youre saying religious people can desire to improve the lot of humans?
Absolutely, but not merely because they are religious.
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
(improve humanity is a poor choice of words
it implies eugenics political indoctrination etc)
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Katt
2008-08-10 19:38:49 UTC
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Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type
thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
thanks
Stupid asshat.

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones!!
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

Katt.
mariposas rand mair fheal
2008-08-10 20:22:49 UTC
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Post by Katt
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by Free Lunch
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:17:14 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by mariposas rand mair fheal
Post by God's Creator!
Unless humans can (somehow) eliminate *Religious Deities* type
thoughts
from
*ALL* reasoning, humankind will definitely, create an
Armageddon.
so atheist societies are inherently more peaceful and humane?
Nope, but it gets rid of one excuse for treating others badly.
okay
so its not about improving the lot of humans
its about what excuses you can use to worsen it
got it
thanks
Stupid asshat.
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones!!
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
first the demand was ending religion not secularization

second george is writing outside of his expertise and his claims are disputed
this has been pointed out before
but given your expressed lack of intelligence
and your expressed dogmatic knee jerk reaction
its unsurprising you cleave to it uncritically

go ahead
get all rational on me

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Jack
2008-08-11 12:55:22 UTC
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When people hear the words "progressive" and "evangelical" together, a
sort
of cognitive dissonance occurs.
I think of Minnesota and A Prairie Home Companion.

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