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Home Schooling and the Constitution:
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buckeye
2008-08-01 09:39:24 UTC
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SOURCE: EXCERPT Journal of Church and State Volume 50 Spring 2008 Number
2, * Notes on Church-State Affairs David W. Hendon and Charles
McDaniel 393


Home Schooling and the Constitution: The Baptist Press reported that a
California appeals court that controversially determined there is no
constitutional right to home school children has agreed to rehear the case
sometime this summer. The court had also concluded that, according to
California law, parents who provide home school services must be
credentialed. Estimates are that some 166,000 children are presently
homeschooled in the state of California. State law holds that each child
must be enrolled in a public or private school or instructed by someone
"holding a valid state teaching credential for the grade being taught."
Prior to the ruling of the appeals court on 28 February, a lower court
decision in California had determined that the right to home school
children is constitutionally protected.

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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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buckeye
2008-08-05 08:43:59 UTC
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:|> SOURCE: EXCERPT Journal of Church and State Volume 50 Spring 2008 Number
:|> 2, * Notes on Church-State Affairs David W. Hendon and Charles
:|> McDaniel 393
:|>
:|>
:|> Home Schooling and the Constitution: The Baptist Press reported that a
:|> California appeals court that controversially determined there is no
:|> constitutional right to home school...
:|
:|There is no constitutional right to ANYTHING.
:|
:|The enlightened person knows that a constitution establishes and
:|authorizes government and its limits; right don't and can't come from a
:|constitution.
:|
:|The fascist foolishly believes that a constitution merely legalizes
:|certain behaviors of the people.
:|
:|Liberty left California long ago, replaced with socialism and
:|totalitarian values.
Soory dude, I don't accept your "expertise" for anything other than
bullshit and right wing propaganda.


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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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buckeye
2008-08-20 18:21:46 UTC
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:|
:|
:|> "Several decades ago" public schooling was noted for its religious
:|> indoctrination, to the extent that there were bloody riots because of
:|> it. The Catholic school system arose primarily because public schools
:|> included Protestant Bible reading and other religious indoctrination
:|> contradictory to Catholic teaching (that was of course before the 14th
:|> amendment was applied to the states with regard to religion).
:|
:|By "several decades" you must mean more than 5 because what you describe
:|just didn't happen in the 2nd half of the 20th Century.
:|
:|There is, in fact, little difference between the "Protestant Bible" and the
:|RC Bible. The RC bible has another section but otherwise there are no
:|serious differences. The "Lord's Prayer" was often used in public schools
:|but the different versions are hardly offensive to Roman Catholics.
:|>
:|
:|** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
What the poster said was true. There were few if any Protestant pvt
religious schools prior to 1950s. The reason? By and large the pubic
school system was viewed by many as a Protestant Religious system.

In the mid 1800s there were riots in the streets of several northeastern
cities over this and the Catholic private school system did in fact come
about because the religious things done in the public school system were
Protestant in nature, i.e. Bible and Bible reading, Prayers, holiday
ceremonies had a Protestant flavor etc.


Thus the Catholic Church established its own school system.

Protestant pvt religious schools came about beginning in the 50s and 60s
to get around integration

***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
N***@Click.com
2008-08-20 20:15:32 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:21:46 -0400, buckeye
Post by buckeye
:|
:|
:|> "Several decades ago" public schooling was noted for its religious
:|> indoctrination, to the extent that there were bloody riots because of
:|> it. The Catholic school system arose primarily because public schools
:|> included Protestant Bible reading and other religious indoctrination
:|> contradictory to Catholic teaching (that was of course before the 14th
:|> amendment was applied to the states with regard to religion).
:|
:|By "several decades" you must mean more than 5 because what you describe
:|just didn't happen in the 2nd half of the 20th Century.
:|
:|There is, in fact, little difference between the "Protestant Bible" and the
:|RC Bible. The RC bible has another section but otherwise there are no
:|serious differences. The "Lord's Prayer" was often used in public schools
:|but the different versions are hardly offensive to Roman Catholics.
:|>
:|
:|** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
What the poster said was true. There were few if any Protestant pvt
religious schools prior to 1950s. The reason? By and large the pubic
school system was viewed by many as a Protestant Religious system.
In the mid 1800s there were riots in the streets of several northeastern
cities over this and the Catholic private school system did in fact come
about because the religious things done in the public school system were
Protestant in nature, i.e. Bible and Bible reading, Prayers, holiday
ceremonies had a Protestant flavor etc.
Thus the Catholic Church established its own school system.
Protestant pvt religious schools came about beginning in the 50s and 60s
to get around integration
Zounds---that would mean---that religious schools were
racist?

Would that explain why they gravitate to a "states
rights" ideology?

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