Is the God of Deism holy?

[Daniel Daly]

Hi all

I am a Noahide. This means I hold to the covenant of Noah
found in the Hebrew Bible at Genesis ch 9.

The bible teaches that the covenant of Noah applies to all
mankind, as all men are descended from Noah.

Anyway, as a former deist, I have a question for other
deists.

Do you believe that the God of Deism is holy? By this, I mean
do you believe that God is a)infallible b) perfect in every
way c) incapable of wrongdoing.

The God of Israel presents himself in this manner, which is
one of the reasons I believe that YHWH is in fact God.


And I have another question - or perspective. Do deists believe
that God fails to intervene completely in human society. To me
this is one of the weaknesses of the deistic point of view. I
personally do not believe that God would leave us, once created,
without knowing his will for our lives. Especially considering
how bad humans can become without some guidance. But of course,
this is just my perspective.

Hoping to hear from you.

Kind regards

Daniel Daly
Canberra, Australia
Web: http://www.geocities.com/torahcovenants
e-mail: ***@actewagl.net.au

[The Seeker]

Post by Daniel Daly
Hi all
I am a Noahide. This means I hold to the covenant of Noah
found in the Hebrew Bible at Genesis ch 9.

Then presumably you have found what it is you need to face your
percieved view of reality, why do you need another opinion?

[Snakefeet]

Post by Daniel Daly
Anyway, as a former deist, I have a question for other
deists.

What occured to cause you to become a *former* deist?

[Daniel Daly]

Post by Snakefeet
What occured to cause you to become a *former* deist?

I started my belief in God as a kind of deist. I believed in
God, but didn't really believe in any religion.

Anyway, I explored Christianity and eventually the Noahide faith.
Along the road I returned to deism briefly, as I had a difficulty
with all the contradictions in the bible. But, over time my faith
was revised (I now only believe the Torah of the Hebrew Bible as
Scripture) and I came back to the Noahide faith.

I personally like the deistic outlook - it frowns greatly on the
hypocrisy present in most religions - although I still believe that
God has revealed himself as YHWH, the God of Israel, and is Holy.

Kind regards to all

Daniel Daly
Canberra, Australia
e-mail: ***@actewagl.net.au
web: http://www.geocities.com/torahcovenants

[Deathprong]

Post by Daniel Daly
Do you believe that the God of Deism is holy? By this, I mean
do you believe that God is a)infallible b) perfect in every
way c) incapable of wrongdoing.
The God of Israel presents himself in this manner, which is
one of the reasons I believe that YHWH is in fact God.

Not for nothing, but other "gods", and people for that matter, present
themselves in this manner, also. You don't regard any of them as God,
do you? And while Jehovah certainly presents himself as incapable of
wrongdoing, a read through the Torah suggests otherwise. I may have a
different idea of right and wrong than you do, but I regard as wrong the
slaying of nearly all life (Genesis 6 and 7), deliberately confusing
people's languages (Genesis 11), demanding death for those who violate
the Sabbath (Exodus 31) and other minor "crimes" (Leviticus 20),
claiming the pettiest of human emotions (jealousy) as his defining
characteristic (Exodus 34), providing an extremely primitive (and,
needless to say, grossly inaccurate) model of the universe (Genesis 1),
and contradicting himself in countless other places. Based on these and
other considerations, I think that Jehovah is definitely not God. Of
course, if you start off believing in Jehovah's infallibility then you
will view everything he does as right. But then we should look at why
you believe in his infallibility in the first place.

Peace!

[clark wilkins]

Post by Deathprong

Post by Daniel Daly
Do you believe that the God of Deism is holy? By this, I mean
do you believe that God is a)infallible b) perfect in every
way c) incapable of wrongdoing.
The God of Israel presents himself in this manner, which is
one of the reasons I believe that YHWH is in fact God.

Not for nothing, but other "gods", and people for that matter, present
themselves in this manner, also. You don't regard any of them as God,
do you?

Good comeback.

Post by Deathprong
And while Jehovah certainly presents himself as incapable of
wrongdoing, a read through the Torah suggests otherwise. I may have a
different idea of right and wrong than you do, but I regard as wrong the
slaying of nearly all life (Genesis 6 and 7), deliberately confusing
people's languages (Genesis 11),

The Book of Genesis is simply an exchange of letters between Egypt and two
kings of Mittani. But as a deist you already know Genesis is crap. However,
both the Egyptian pharoahs and the Mitani kings agreed that Abram existed
and was promised his descendants would inherit Canaan.

Post by Deathprong
demanding death for those who violate
the Sabbath (Exodus 31)

I don't believe it prescribes death in the literal sense, although the
prescription was certainly carried out literally. But as a deist you already
know the Ten Commandments are crap. You need only compare the Ten
Commandments in Deuteronomy with those in Exodus. They're different.

But remember, the Hebrew asked for those laws. Up until then, they were more
or less deists.

Post by Deathprong
and other minor "crimes" (Leviticus 20),
claiming the pettiest of human emotions (jealousy) as his defining
characteristic (Exodus 34),

The message was simple enough. Worship me, the one who brought you out of
Egypt, and not some god who didn't, because I'm jealous of my work and your
giving credit to someone else pisses me off.

Post by Deathprong
providing an extremely primitive (and,
needless to say, grossly inaccurate) model of the universe (Genesis 1),

It's Babylon's creation theory, not El's. But as a deist you already know
that.

Post by Deathprong
and contradicting himself in countless other places. Based on these and
other considerations, I think that Jehovah is definitely not God.

Then you have a problem.
Only Yah can ressurect the dead.

Post by Deathprong
Of
course, if you start off believing in Jehovah's infallibility then you
will view everything he does as right. But then we should look at why
you believe in his infallibility in the first place.

"My God! My God! Why have you foresaken me?"
- Yahshua on the cross.

Post by Deathprong
Peace!

Merry Xmas!


::Clark::

[Larry]

Post by Daniel Daly
Do you believe that the God of Deism is holy? By this, I mean
do you believe that God is a)infallible b) perfect in every
way c) incapable of wrongdoing.
The God of Israel presents himself in this manner, which is
one of the reasons I believe that YHWH is in fact God.

Not that I want to start a war, but I have just read a very
thought-provoking article about this subject. I have never seen the case
against the God of the Bible presented this way before, and I must say that
the arguments are compelling.

Read this and see if it doesn't cause you to question certain beliefs that
you may have held from a very early age:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/ingerhb.htm

[bluskie]

Post by Larry

Post by Daniel Daly
Do you believe that the God of Deism is holy? By this, I mean
do you believe that God is a)infallible b) perfect in every
way c) incapable of wrongdoing.
The God of Israel presents himself in this manner, which is
one of the reasons I believe that YHWH is in fact God.

Not that I want to start a war, but I have just read a very
thought-provoking article about this subject. I have never seen the case
against the God of the Bible presented this way before, and I must say that
the arguments are compelling.
Read this and see if it doesn't cause you to question certain beliefs that
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/ingerhb.htm

Once you're brainwashed it's very very difficult to clear yourself
from that way of thinking and rebrainwash yourself with another way of
thinking.

[n***@gmail.com]

I don't really think knowledge of Jehovah is attained in a deist's thinking
without an acknowledgement that God has concern for mankind. Further, that
in human's there is the ability to do wrongdoings, and that a responsible
creator punishes those wrongdoings, and will do so with the death penalty,
to prevent what we would classify as 'sinners' doing even greater harm
to society.

Many young spiritual thinkers always think they know better than God and
reimagine God in their own image - their own thinking.

Deism is imposing human morality on the creator who designed humans.

As of 2019 I'm still a Karaite Noahide.

My main websites:
Noahide Books - http://noahidebooks.angelfire.com
Noahide Videos Bibles - https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielThomasAndrewDaly